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* One visualization is to use a Venn diagram. The stronger the statement, the more our movement is restricted, as we are forced to be in more and more sets. | * One visualization is to use a Venn diagram. The stronger the statement, the more our movement is restricted, as we are forced to be in more and more sets. | ||
* When we say a strong statement like <math>\forall x P(x)</math>, we are saying <math>P(x_1) \wedge P(x_2) \wedge \cdots \wedge P(x_n)</math>. When we say a weak statement like <math>\exists x P(x)</math>, we are saying <math>P(x_1) \vee P(x_2) \vee \cdots \vee P(x_n)</math>. It seems like in both cases we are accumulating more and more things. | * When we say a strong statement like <math>\forall x P(x)</math>, we are saying <math>P(x_1) \wedge P(x_2) \wedge \cdots \wedge P(x_n)</math>. When we say a weak statement like <math>\exists x P(x)</math>, we are saying <math>P(x_1) \vee P(x_2) \vee \cdots \vee P(x_n)</math>. It seems like in both cases we are accumulating more and more things. | ||
* In causal inference, I think <math display="inline">X \perp\!\!\!\perp Y\cup W</math> is stronger than <math display="inline">(X \perp\!\!\!\perp Y) \vee (X \perp\!\!\!\perp W)</math>, even though both seem to use a single "or"-type operation. | * But if we're working in a proof system, <math display="inline">\forall x P(x)</math> means we have all of <math display="inline">P(x_1), \ldots, P(x_n)</math> separately, whereas with <math display="inline">\exists x P(x)</math> we only have one long statement <math>P(x_1) \vee P(x_2) \vee \cdots \vee P(x_n)</math>. | ||
* In causal inference, I think <math display="inline">X \perp\!\!\!\perp Y\cup W</math> is stronger than <math display="inline">(X \perp\!\!\!\perp Y) \vee (X \perp\!\!\!\perp W)</math>, even though both seem to use a single "or"-type operation. But if <math display="inline">Y</math> and <math display="inline">W</math> are disjoint, then I think the former is true while the latter may be false. I think this is similar to how <math display="inline">\forall x\in X(P(x))</math> is usually stronger than <math display="inline">\exists x\in X(P(x))</math>, unless <math display="inline">X = \emptyset</math>. | |||
* Maybe another way to state the puzzle is this: "P is stronger than Q" ↔ "P implies Q" ↔ "Q is at least as true as P" ↔ "Q ≥ P" ↔ "Q is 'more powerful' than P"! | |||
==External links== | ==External links== | ||
* https://gowers.wordpress.com/2008/12/28/how-can-one-equivalent-statement-be-stronger-than-another/ (haven't read this yet) | * https://gowers.wordpress.com/2008/12/28/how-can-one-equivalent-statement-be-stronger-than-another/ (haven't read this yet) | ||
* https://gowers.wordpress.com/2011/09/26/basic-logic-connectives-not/ (search strong) | * https://gowers.wordpress.com/2011/09/26/basic-logic-connectives-not/ (search "strong") | ||
* https://gowers.wordpress.com/2011/10/02/basic-logic-relationships-between-statements-negation/ (search "strong") | * https://gowers.wordpress.com/2011/10/02/basic-logic-relationships-between-statements-negation/ (search "strong") | ||
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Negation
Negating a strong statement produces a weak statement, and negating a weak statement produces a strong statement. If a statement has strong and weak components, then the flip occurs at each stage. For example, in with a weak statement, negating it produces , where the strong has become the weak , and the weak has become a strong . See Gowers's posts for more discussion on this.
Strong vs subset
A puzzle: why do we say P is stronger than Q if P is a subset of Q, but we also say that a theorem is stronger if it is more general (so bigger)?
- One reply/intuition uses something like possible world semantics, e.g. see Wei Dai's post on Aumann's agreement theorem. There is just one possible world (a single ), but our information state is the set of all possible worlds that we cannot distinguish, so the less we know, the more possible worlds we think we could be in.
- One visualization is to use a Venn diagram. The stronger the statement, the more our movement is restricted, as we are forced to be in more and more sets.
- When we say a strong statement like , we are saying . When we say a weak statement like , we are saying . It seems like in both cases we are accumulating more and more things.
- But if we're working in a proof system, means we have all of separately, whereas with we only have one long statement .
- In causal inference, I think is stronger than , even though both seem to use a single "or"-type operation. But if and are disjoint, then I think the former is true while the latter may be false. I think this is similar to how is usually stronger than , unless .
- Maybe another way to state the puzzle is this: "P is stronger than Q" ↔ "P implies Q" ↔ "Q is at least as true as P" ↔ "Q ≥ P" ↔ "Q is 'more powerful' than P"!
External links
- https://gowers.wordpress.com/2008/12/28/how-can-one-equivalent-statement-be-stronger-than-another/ (haven't read this yet)
- https://gowers.wordpress.com/2011/09/26/basic-logic-connectives-not/ (search "strong")
- https://gowers.wordpress.com/2011/10/02/basic-logic-relationships-between-statements-negation/ (search "strong")